A Conversation
Masayuki Ebinuma and Tatsuo Miyajima
(Tree Doctor) (Modeling Artist)
21st.August.1996,Nagasaki
Chapter 1
Encounter with the Atomic Bombing Victim Kaki Tree II
Miyajima:
First off, perhaps you could begin by telling us how you came to raise
Atom Bomb Kaki Tree saplings.
Ebinuma:
At first, I approached the kaki tree from the perspective of standpoint
of how to preserve it after it had survived for 50 years following the
atomic explosion. As I spent time with the tree day by day, I was faced
with the reality that it was reaching the end of its life, and I gradually
came to feel that there must be more I could do. In my own family, my wife's
father was also a victim of the atomic bombing. In other words, she is
also a second-generation victim. I thought if I could pass the saplings,
the childrenof the Atomic Bombing Victim Kaki Tree, on to the next
generation....
As a tree doctor or dendrologist, and also as a human being, I felt that
this was meaningful work, and that led to the current project.
Miyajima:
I think it's very important for a generation that has never experienced
atomic bombings or war to raise and care for the second generation of the
Kaki Tree that underwent the atomic blast. Mr. Ebinuma, through the saplings
you grow, the second generation develops only with the thoughts and feelings
of a large number of people. That may be an important part of "Time
Restorer", the Kaki Tree Project. The action and intent that you have
initiated through the Kaki Tree will reach so many people.... We want to
do whatever we can to help carry this meeting of hearts forward into the
future.
Ebinuma:
Many people are involved in the process of communicating the truth about
the atomic bombing victims, and this involvement takes many different forms.
As represented by the Peace Declaration made annually in Nagasaki, everyone
who can continues to speak of their experience with the bombing so that
the next generation will not forget. Against this backdrop, what I wanted
to work on was a way for us to pass this knowledge down, not in words,
but in a form that people could touch with their hands. Children laugh
and cry together with the little saplings, and with the passing years grow
to maturity. This may be a new way of communicating the atomic
experience.
Miyajima:
The reason I found out about the Kaki Tree II was because of the Water
Wave Mark Exhibition that I once participated in. I had always had an awareness
of the atomic bomb issue, and with that project, whose concept linked Tokyo
and Nagasaki, I felt the wish to do something on Nagasaki. Afterward I
visited Nagasaki, and after considerable investigation I discovered the
existence of the Atomic Bombing Victim Kaki Tree, and went to see kaki
trees actually growing in the city. As I listened to people speak of the
trees, I learned that there was somebody growing saplings for the next
generation of kaki trees, and contacting that person was my first meeting
with you, Mr. Ebinuma. When I saw the second generation saplings for the
first time, they were so beautiful that I was moved. That was how I came
to be involved in the Kaki Tree Project. On the other hand, I am a modeling
artist, so rather than simply communicate this, I felt the need to further
expand the life energy of the saplings and devise a new structure for them.
As I worked to help you with your efforts, I wondered if there wasn't some
way I could make a unique contribution. The idea I struck on was Art in
Action. In other words, to spread the seeds of wonder in people through
the living entities known as kaki tree saplings. In other words, this process
and activity itself is also art. One way of saying it would be that I wanted
to create a collaboration or joint performance in which many people would
pass the baton based on the nobility of the life continuum.
Miyajima:
The Kaki Tree which has taken shape will continue to grow with the help
of many people. While all this is taking place against the background of
the history of the atomic bombing, I think that the sight of the second
and third generation of trees living on into the 21st Century with the
help of a new generation will give courage to our children. The pupils
of the Yanagikita Elementary School in Tokyo say , "the sight of the
kaki tree saplings growing little by little makes us feel great".
One said: "When we get in a fight or get scolded by our mothers or
teachers, watering the kaki trees makes me see that if this little tree
can try so hard, so can I." Listening to these remarks, I feel that
it is so important for children to be able to have this kind of
discussion.
Ebinuma:
Communicating war and the reality of atomic bombings to children is an
important task. However, the act of growing kaki tree saplings enables
us to communicate this information from the same viewpoint as the children.
We can see, as they do, that "even if we get bullied, the little kaki
trees are growing by leaps and bounds." And as children around the
country exchange letters and form spontaneous Kaki Tree networks, I come
to feel that this also is the work and activity of peace.
Miyajima:
The essence of peace is, in a sense, the strong aspiration to cherish life
itself. The kaki saplings are indeed life itself. We interact with this
life, and perhaps this positive form of anti-nuclear movement is truly
unique, wouldn't you agree?
Ebinuma:
Yes, and I hope that as living witnesses, the kaki trees will grow and
flourish into second and third generations, spreading to be accepted by
people around the world. I express that hope through my work in growing
the saplings.
Miyajima:
I feel the same way. I believe that everything that comes about through
these trees is art, and at the same time, all the people who are involved
with the trees are artists. Therefore, this project will no doubt continue
to expand indefinitely, and there is no limit to the number of people who
can participate. It's my wish that we can make this a positive project
that will develop in ways that we cannot now forsee, giving rise perhaps
to poetry collections or songs, created by people we may have yet to
meet.
Chapter 2
The Future of the "Second Generation Atomic Bombing Victim Trees"
Miyajima:
I have no idea what the future holds regarding the care and raising of
the Kaki Trees.
Still, I believe it's important for us to continue examining the past in
a positive way, as
do the children have fun taking care of the Kaki saplings. Opting for a
constructive
approach to the atomic bombings will no doubt result in all kinds of
creative expressions
of thought and energy from people everywhere.
Ebinuma:
The Atomic Bombing Victim Kaki Trees exist only in Nagasaki and
Hiroshima, and as they
continue to make their silent appeal for peace, they have such great
value because they
represent living witnesses in the truest sense of the word. Our wish to
raise and care for
the saplings of these Kaki trees that endured the atomic bombings is
based on the desire to
bestow them on the children of the 21st Century.
Miyajima:
The very first time you showed me a Kaki Tree sapling, it was about
twenty
centimeters high and planted in a little pot, do you recall? Little
buds had just
begun to grow on it, I think. It was so pretty to look at, and I
remember being
very moved by the sight. All I could think of was trying to convey this
sense
of wonder to the world. My involvement with the Kaki Tree began with
the
desire to express this feeling to others.
Ebinuma:
When discussing the atomic victim issue, we are faced with the enormous
problem
of how to go about communicating the message to others. Yet if we are
able to
think of seeing, touching and nurturing the delicate Kaki Tree saplings
as a way of
coming to terms with the issue of the atomic bombings, I believe that a
totally new
message will come into being.
Miyajima
Yes, I would like to see the Kaki Tree project provide the conduit for a
wide variety
of concrete actions worldwide, motivated by the determination and energy
of so many
people who deeply wish to prevent these terrible events from being
repeated in the future.
you can meet kaki.....
you too can be an artist.....
we look forward to your action.