A Conversation

Masayuki Ebinuma and Tatsuo Miyajima
(Tree Doctor) (Modeling Artist)
21st.August.1996,Nagasaki




Chapter 1

Encounter with the Atomic Bombing Victim Kaki Tree II




Miyajima:
First off, perhaps you could begin by telling us how you came to raise Atom Bomb Kaki Tree saplings.


Ebinuma:
At first, I approached the kaki tree from the perspective of standpoint of how to preserve it after it had survived for 50 years following the atomic explosion. As I spent time with the tree day by day, I was faced with the reality that it was reaching the end of its life, and I gradually came to feel that there must be more I could do. In my own family, my wife's father was also a victim of the atomic bombing. In other words, she is also a second-generation victim. I thought if I could pass the saplings, the childrenof the Atomic Bombing Victim Kaki Tree, on to the next generation.... As a tree doctor or dendrologist, and also as a human being, I felt that this was meaningful work, and that led to the current project.


Miyajima:
I think it's very important for a generation that has never experienced atomic bombings or war to raise and care for the second generation of the Kaki Tree that underwent the atomic blast. Mr. Ebinuma, through the saplings you grow, the second generation develops only with the thoughts and feelings of a large number of people. That may be an important part of "Time Restorer", the Kaki Tree Project. The action and intent that you have initiated through the Kaki Tree will reach so many people.... We want to do whatever we can to help carry this meeting of hearts forward into the future.



Ebinuma:
Many people are involved in the process of communicating the truth about the atomic bombing victims, and this involvement takes many different forms. As represented by the Peace Declaration made annually in Nagasaki, everyone who can continues to speak of their experience with the bombing so that the next generation will not forget. Against this backdrop, what I wanted to work on was a way for us to pass this knowledge down, not in words, but in a form that people could touch with their hands. Children laugh and cry together with the little saplings, and with the passing years grow to maturity. This may be a new way of communicating the atomic experience.





Miyajima:
The reason I found out about the Kaki Tree II was because of the Water Wave Mark Exhibition that I once participated in. I had always had an awareness of the atomic bomb issue, and with that project, whose concept linked Tokyo and Nagasaki, I felt the wish to do something on Nagasaki. Afterward I visited Nagasaki, and after considerable investigation I discovered the existence of the Atomic Bombing Victim Kaki Tree, and went to see kaki trees actually growing in the city. As I listened to people speak of the trees, I learned that there was somebody growing saplings for the next generation of kaki trees, and contacting that person was my first meeting with you, Mr. Ebinuma. When I saw the second generation saplings for the first time, they were so beautiful that I was moved. That was how I came to be involved in the Kaki Tree Project. On the other hand, I am a modeling artist, so rather than simply communicate this, I felt the need to further expand the life energy of the saplings and devise a new structure for them. As I worked to help you with your efforts, I wondered if there wasn't some way I could make a unique contribution. The idea I struck on was Art in Action. In other words, to spread the seeds of wonder in people through the living entities known as kaki tree saplings. In other words, this process and activity itself is also art. One way of saying it would be that I wanted to create a collaboration or joint performance in which many people would pass the baton based on the nobility of the life continuum.



Miyajima:
The Kaki Tree which has taken shape will continue to grow with the help of many people. While all this is taking place against the background of the history of the atomic bombing, I think that the sight of the second and third generation of trees living on into the 21st Century with the help of a new generation will give courage to our children. The pupils of the Yanagikita Elementary School in Tokyo say , "the sight of the kaki tree saplings growing little by little makes us feel great". One said: "When we get in a fight or get scolded by our mothers or teachers, watering the kaki trees makes me see that if this little tree can try so hard, so can I." Listening to these remarks, I feel that it is so important for children to be able to have this kind of discussion.


Ebinuma:
Communicating war and the reality of atomic bombings to children is an important task. However, the act of growing kaki tree saplings enables us to communicate this information from the same viewpoint as the children. We can see, as they do, that "even if we get bullied, the little kaki trees are growing by leaps and bounds." And as children around the country exchange letters and form spontaneous Kaki Tree networks, I come to feel that this also is the work and activity of peace.


Miyajima:
The essence of peace is, in a sense, the strong aspiration to cherish life itself. The kaki saplings are indeed life itself. We interact with this life, and perhaps this positive form of anti-nuclear movement is truly unique, wouldn't you agree?


Ebinuma:
Yes, and I hope that as living witnesses, the kaki trees will grow and flourish into second and third generations, spreading to be accepted by people around the world. I express that hope through my work in growing the saplings.


Miyajima:
I feel the same way. I believe that everything that comes about through these trees is art, and at the same time, all the people who are involved with the trees are artists. Therefore, this project will no doubt continue to expand indefinitely, and there is no limit to the number of people who can participate. It's my wish that we can make this a positive project that will develop in ways that we cannot now forsee, giving rise perhaps to poetry collections or songs, created by people we may have yet to meet.






Chapter 2

The Future of the "Second Generation Atomic Bombing Victim Trees"





Miyajima:
I have no idea what the future holds regarding the care and raising of the Kaki Trees. Still, I believe it's important for us to continue examining the past in a positive way, as do the children have fun taking care of the Kaki saplings. Opting for a constructive approach to the atomic bombings will no doubt result in all kinds of creative expressions of thought and energy from people everywhere.

Ebinuma:
The Atomic Bombing Victim Kaki Trees exist only in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and as they continue to make their silent appeal for peace, they have such great value because they represent living witnesses in the truest sense of the word. Our wish to raise and care for the saplings of these Kaki trees that endured the atomic bombings is based on the desire to bestow them on the children of the 21st Century.

Miyajima:
The very first time you showed me a Kaki Tree sapling, it was about twenty centimeters high and planted in a little pot, do you recall? Little buds had just begun to grow on it, I think. It was so pretty to look at, and I remember being very moved by the sight. All I could think of was trying to convey this sense of wonder to the world. My involvement with the Kaki Tree began with the desire to express this feeling to others.

Ebinuma:
When discussing the atomic victim issue, we are faced with the enormous problem of how to go about communicating the message to others. Yet if we are able to think of seeing, touching and nurturing the delicate Kaki Tree saplings as a way of coming to terms with the issue of the atomic bombings, I believe that a totally new message will come into being.

Miyajima
Yes, I would like to see the Kaki Tree project provide the conduit for a wide variety of concrete actions worldwide, motivated by the determination and energy of so many people who deeply wish to prevent these terrible events from being repeated in the future.





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